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		<title>Comment on And now for something completely different by And now for something completely different &#124; Art Institute Phoenix &#124; The Art Institute</title>
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		<dc:creator>And now for something completely different &#124; Art Institute Phoenix &#124; The Art Institute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here is the original post: And now for something completely different [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The (MTG) end is nigh! by Further thoughts on the end of the (MTG) world &#171; Does Not Compute</title>
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		<dc:creator>Further thoughts on the end of the (MTG) world &#171; Does Not Compute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Does Not Compute Importing fine geekery since 2003       &#171; The (MTG) end is&#160;nigh! [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Let your feet do the talking by Steven Shaffer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Shaffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 12:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good story, I felt like I was there! Totally understandable reaction. 

I hope you kick butts when you play against them. Talk smack while you do it.

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good story, I felt like I was there! Totally understandable reaction. </p>
<p>I hope you kick butts when you play against them. Talk smack while you do it.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>Comment on JotBot post mortem: (J)Ruby desktop application development by Blogo - Como foi construído um aplicativo comercial para Mac OS X usando Ruby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogo - Como foi construído um aplicativo comercial para Mac OS X usando Ruby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Observação: O Blogo não é o único aplicativo desktop comercial em Ruby no mercado - o JotBot criado por David Koontz, James Britt, e Logan Barnett&#039;s (um aplicativo de acompanhamento de tarefas inovador) é outro excelente exemplo, sendo o primeiro aplicativo desktop cross-platform escrito em Ruby utilizando o Monkeybars. Recentemente, David publicou um bom resumo sobre como ele foi feito. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Observação: O Blogo não é o único aplicativo desktop comercial em Ruby no mercado &#8211; o JotBot criado por David Koontz, James Britt, e Logan Barnett&#8217;s (um aplicativo de acompanhamento de tarefas inovador) é outro excelente exemplo, sendo o primeiro aplicativo desktop cross-platform escrito em Ruby utilizando o Monkeybars. Recentemente, David publicou um bom resumo sobre como ele foi feito. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on JotBot post mortem: (J)Ruby desktop application development by Blogo - How One Team Built a Commercial Mac OS X App with Ruby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogo - How One Team Built a Commercial Mac OS X App with Ruby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 07:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the first commercial cross-platform desktop Ruby app (built around Monkeybars). David even posted a good wrap up of how it came together [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Tickets to the (Java) show by James Britt</title>
		<link>http://dkoontz.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/tickets-to-the-java-show/#comment-152</link>
		<dc:creator>James Britt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outstanding!   Hopefully there will be video from this for those of use not able to make it.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Ruby for GUI programming survey by dkoontz</title>
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		<dc:creator>dkoontz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Alex for this information.  While the sample size is small like you point out, it does seem to confirm my initial expectation of the more &quot;industrial&quot; toolkits being favored when money is on the line.  I am interested in the idea that people consider Shoes ok for commercial applications.  In fact, at one point at my old company we were employed to rewrite a Shoes app as a Monkeybars app.  The fact that the original authors had tried to use Shoes was, to me, a bit shocking, since it clearly came up lacking in the large complex app department.  Perhaps this is more a reflection on the relative immaturity of GUI programming experience in general within the Ruby development community.  How do you know what X is lacking if you&#039;ve never run into problems with it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Alex for this information.  While the sample size is small like you point out, it does seem to confirm my initial expectation of the more &#8220;industrial&#8221; toolkits being favored when money is on the line.  I am interested in the idea that people consider Shoes ok for commercial applications.  In fact, at one point at my old company we were employed to rewrite a Shoes app as a Monkeybars app.  The fact that the original authors had tried to use Shoes was, to me, a bit shocking, since it clearly came up lacking in the large complex app department.  Perhaps this is more a reflection on the relative immaturity of GUI programming experience in general within the Ruby development community.  How do you know what X is lacking if you&#8217;ve never run into problems with it?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ruby for GUI programming survey by Alex Fenton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Fenton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are the numbers for the &quot;preferred toolkit&quot; question, counting only those who said they were doing GUI programming for commercial purposes (either alone or in a company, or both):

 Wx	9
 GNOME2	6
 Swing	6
 Shoes	6
 Cocoa	4
 Tk	1
 Fx	1

The base is small (n=33) so I would be cautious about inferring too much about the exact relative positions. It seems to support the sensible guess that Shoes is less popular relatively in this domain, and Swing more so.

James: you made a number of very helpful suggestions on the drafts of the survey form, which I incorporated. One of these was to include SWT (an omission through ignorance) and another was to include &quot;Prejudice against certain vendors...&quot; as an impediment to the development of Ruby GUI programming. However I don&#039;t believe you suggested the survey itself was biased.

Of course there&#039;s ambiguity in how questions are interpreted, as in any linguistic communication. I took considerable care, including circulating for comment, in the construction of the survey, and others feedback (eg on c.l.r.) seems to recognise this. I don&#039;t think &#039;preference&#039; is especially ambiguous. And a principal aim of seeking a large sample is that statistical error (eg through ambiguity) is reduced.

Most importantly *error* is different to *bias*. If you believe that the final design of the survey was such that it would produce systematic *bias* against one toolkit or another, then you should say so explicitly, and say how.

I would&#039;ve liked it if wxRuby was found to be the most popular and well-regarded toolkit. The fact that it wasn&#039;t leads to me reflect on the survey findings, rather than sort-of hinting that it arose from flaws in the survey method.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are the numbers for the &#8220;preferred toolkit&#8221; question, counting only those who said they were doing GUI programming for commercial purposes (either alone or in a company, or both):</p>
<p> Wx	9<br />
 GNOME2	6<br />
 Swing	6<br />
 Shoes	6<br />
 Cocoa	4<br />
 Tk	1<br />
 Fx	1</p>
<p>The base is small (n=33) so I would be cautious about inferring too much about the exact relative positions. It seems to support the sensible guess that Shoes is less popular relatively in this domain, and Swing more so.</p>
<p>James: you made a number of very helpful suggestions on the drafts of the survey form, which I incorporated. One of these was to include SWT (an omission through ignorance) and another was to include &#8220;Prejudice against certain vendors&#8230;&#8221; as an impediment to the development of Ruby GUI programming. However I don&#8217;t believe you suggested the survey itself was biased.</p>
<p>Of course there&#8217;s ambiguity in how questions are interpreted, as in any linguistic communication. I took considerable care, including circulating for comment, in the construction of the survey, and others feedback (eg on c.l.r.) seems to recognise this. I don&#8217;t think &#8216;preference&#8217; is especially ambiguous. And a principal aim of seeking a large sample is that statistical error (eg through ambiguity) is reduced.</p>
<p>Most importantly *error* is different to *bias*. If you believe that the final design of the survey was such that it would produce systematic *bias* against one toolkit or another, then you should say so explicitly, and say how.</p>
<p>I would&#8217;ve liked it if wxRuby was found to be the most popular and well-regarded toolkit. The fact that it wasn&#8217;t leads to me reflect on the survey findings, rather than sort-of hinting that it arose from flaws in the survey method.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ruby for GUI programming survey by James Britt</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Britt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 06:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had the same thoughts.  After I read the survey results I did some Googling to find anything about commercial desktop Ruby apps, and only found (amusingly enough) posts about Monkeybars and JotBot.

When I was first shown the survey I requested some changes to some questions because there was no mention of Swing; I don&#039;t recall the details offhand, but I expressed concern over bias against Java/JRuby.   

Polls are always tricky, and having more details on what, exactly, people mean when  the say the use or prefer one or another GUI tool would be useful.  

Perhaps a future poll could say, &quot;Of those people who have actually deployed a commercial desktop app, GUI preferences  were ...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the same thoughts.  After I read the survey results I did some Googling to find anything about commercial desktop Ruby apps, and only found (amusingly enough) posts about Monkeybars and JotBot.</p>
<p>When I was first shown the survey I requested some changes to some questions because there was no mention of Swing; I don&#8217;t recall the details offhand, but I expressed concern over bias against Java/JRuby.   </p>
<p>Polls are always tricky, and having more details on what, exactly, people mean when  the say the use or prefer one or another GUI tool would be useful.  </p>
<p>Perhaps a future poll could say, &#8220;Of those people who have actually deployed a commercial desktop app, GUI preferences  were &#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on JotBot post mortem: (J)Ruby desktop application development by Ennuyer.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 2009-01-28 - Today’s Ruby/Rails Reading</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ennuyer.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 2009-01-28 - Today’s Ruby/Rails Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 02:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The content of the Jotbot talk is pretty similar to this Jotbot postmortem blog post  [...]</description>
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